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12 November 1035
Shaftesbury
Aged about 40

Son of Sweyn Forkbeard
and Gunhilda of Poland

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  • Što radimo u životu odzvanja u vječnosti
  • Amit ebben az életben teszünk, az visszhangzik az örökkévalóságban
  • Was wir im Leben tun Echos in der Ewigkeit
  • Ce que nous faisons dans la vie résonne dans l'éternité
  • Lo que hacemos en vida se refleja en la eternidad
  • To, co děláme v životě se ozývá ve věčnosti

Jelena Šubić died c 1378 was a Croatian Kneginja

 
 

The castle was first mentioned in the 13th century as a fortress ruled by the Babonić clan. Between 1328 and 1347, it was possessed by the members of Iločki family. In 1347, King Louis I the Great bestowed the fortress to the noble Šubić family who then changed their family name after it, becoming the Zrinski. It remained in their possession until the Ottoman invasion and conquest of the region, which led to the fortress falling to them on 20 October 1577. It wasn't until 1718 that the castle was retaken from the Ottomans.

 

The castle was first mentioned in the 13th century as a fortress ruled by the Babonićclan. Between 1328 and 1347, it was possessed by the members of Iločki family. In 1347, King Louis I the Great bestowed the fortress to the noble Šubić family who then changed their family name after it, becoming the Zrinski. It remained in their possession until the Ottoman invasion and conquest of the region, which led to the fortress falling to them on 20 October 1577. It wasn't until 1718 that the castle was retaken from the Ottomans.

 

Among the many notable personalities of the family, there were a few women. Katarina Zrinska (1625–1673), a noted poet, was born in the Frankopan family, and, having married Petar Zrinski, became the member of the Zrinskis. Her daughter, Jelena Zrinska, was the wife of Francis I. Rákóczi, the prince of Transylvania.

Brebiri III. Mladen

Egy majdnem Zrínyi ős nyomában

Nikola Šubić Zrinski

– chorwacki Leonidas, Szigetvár

Nikola Šubić Zrinski Ivana

pl. Zajca, u aranžmanu Tomislava Uhlika



The History of Medieval Armor

 

The term "Medieval" Generally signifies the ten century period spanning the 5th through 16th centuries. And for the most part this is what this look at medieval armor will focus on. But, in order to understand how armor developed over these centuries I will also give you some background information on armor as it leads up to that period.

 

Factors of Medieval Armor development

 

Armor changed, evolved and improved over the medieval period and there are a few factors that had a tremendous impact on this evolution.

 

  • The development of different types, and more effective weapons: Weapons such as swords, spears, daggers and polearms all changed over the centuries, in part to achieve effectiveness against armor. The longbow and crossbow were very effective against varying armor types and new armor had to be developed to counter these weapons. This changing and evolving between weapons and armor were what could be called an arms race - weapons would improve then armor would improve then weapons had to improve and so on.
  • Developments in metal working skills - as we moved out of the bronze age and into the iron age the new ways of working with metals made stronger armor and gave armies technologies to make more effective armor.
  • Changing philosophies and cultures - these things also had a big impact on how armor changed.
  • Gunpowder eventually put an end to armor.

 

Armor before the Medieval Period

 

There are two major lines of armor that lead up to the armor in Europe through the Medieval Period. The first line is the classical line that came out of the Mycenaean (Alexander the Great), Greek and Roman traditions. The major materials that armor was made from included Bronze and Iron.

 

The second line came out of the Celtic and Teutonic people. This is called the Barbarian armor line. The armor made in this line was predominantly leather and mail.

 

The dominance of Chainmail through most of the medieval period

 

Ring Mail armor Out of all the various armor types chain mail (also known as ring mail) was the most successful and it lasted the longest. Earliest versions of this type of armor date back to the first century and this mail was in use in different variations all the way through the medieval period and beyond to the 17 th century. It was called chain mail or ring mail because it was made of a series of small rings that were interlocked together. This means of assembly was very effective against slicing and stabbing weapons and normal arrows. It was also very complex to make and a chainmail chest piece (often called a hauberk) could be composed of thousands of these little rings.(The picture shows a knight in complete chainmail with a surcoat over it)

 

Chain Mail - It was in use in various forms throughout the whole medieval period in a variety of capacities. For many centuries is was very effective. But the brunt of its effectiveness was against slashing weapons. The rings that composed the mail were effective at defeating slashing weapons but were not effective against the brunt force blow of weapons such as hammers and maces.

 

Want to watch a video on how to make chainmail? I have one on my youtube channel here. How to Make Chainmail?

 

Over the centuries of the medieval period this deficiency was minimized by added a variety of other materials either under or over the chain mail hauberk. These could be a leather jerkin or padded gambeson under the mail or a coat or plates and a surcoat over the mail. This could get very cumbersome and while adding extra layers of padding and protection could reduce concussive damage it still didn't keep pace with the development of weapons.

 

In the 13 th century the mail become less and less effective, particularly because of the use of crossbows and better weapons. Armorers moved in the direction of adding various pieces of plate either under the mail or over the mail. These were just parts like chest plates or elbow guards. This was a move toward plate armor.

 

A development in armor was the coat of plates which lasted roughly through the 14th century.

 

After 1350 the use of solid breastplates came into more use. They were typically made of a solid plate in the front and a solid plate in the back called a backplate. Iron breastplates appeared as early as 1190.

 

The Transition to Plate Mail

 

Mail armor with some plate pieces. The most important development after the common use of the breastplate was the addition of more plate armor on various body parts. These included vambraces over the arms, greaves for the lower legs and various other partial plates for shoulders, elbows and knees. (Drawing shows this transition with full mail armor and the addition of some plate armor on arms and legs)

 

Eventually these all evolved into the complete set of plate armor that we think of when we think of a knight in armor. In this armor every part of a knight's body was covered with plate armor. And these developments of additional protection also had sub developments. A good example of this is the demi-greaves which covered only the front part of the lower leg. These developed into closed greaves which went all the way around the lower leg.

 

The 15 th Century as the zenith of Platemail suits of Armor

 

Plate armor The 15th century was the pinnacle of medieval armor and it all revolved around the knights complete set of plate armor. In the beginning of the century the art and craft of making complete plate armor sets developed into two different schools: The Italian and the German. Toward the end of the 15th century and beginning of the 16th century these two schools diverged into what is considered to be the pinnacle of armor making: The Maximilian.

 

It is during this century that armor also morphed into three different types of armors - Field armor (for Battle) , Ceremonial armor (for ceremonies and good looks) and jousting armor for the knightly competitions. Each type of armor was specifically designed for its use. Battle armor was designed for maximum mobility with optimal protection, ceremonial armor was made to look great and to impress. It was often detailed with gold and silver. And Jousting armor was designed for the specific requirements of the joust which might include an overly large and strong pauldron to deflect an enemy's lance or special braces to support the weight of one's own lance.

 

Medieval Helmets - Helmets also underwent many changes during the medieval period and a lot of this was influenced by the ability to work with metal and better understanding of what protected better in combat.

 

Early helmets were typically flat and they developed toward more round and curved in shape because a curved shape would deflect a blow rather than take the full brunt. And in the latest periods the helmets were multiple pieces riveted together and had moving parts like a visor.

 

Shields - These also changed as other components of armor and weapons changed. In the early centuries of the medieval period they were large and round. As the centuries progressed the got smaller and triangular in shape. I have more information about medieval shields and how they developed and changed here: The Medieval Shield

Metal Working skills throughout the medieval period

 

The early armor was made with leather, iron, bronze or other hard materials. Steel was developed but only saw limited use because it was difficult to make and tended to be brittle. In the later centuries techniques were developed so plates of armor had carbon added to just the outer surfaces of them. This created a very hard outer surface yet with the softer inner surface of iron there was still some flexibility.

 

History of Medieval Armor Timeline

 

Up to 5th century: Two varying armor types:

Barbarian armor which was mostly leather and chainmail;

and classical armor which was brass and iron

From 5th through the 14 th Chainmail was standard and still lasted in part until the 17th

12th century: various materials were added to supplement the

chainmail chest piece including the gambeson

13th/14th century: the strength and protection of the chainmail was enhanced

by the addition of various plates. The coat of plates was regularly used.

14th century: The plate chest armor was expanded upon by applying plate

to other parts of the body like greaves for the legs and vambraces for the arms.

15th century: The height of Plate mail armor sets with two different schools:

the Italian and the german.

15th century: Plate armor came in three different types by function:

Battle armor, ceremonial armor and tournament armor. Each was specifically designed for its purpose.

end of 15th century: The two schools of armor making merged into what some

consider to be the pinnacle of armor set styles: The Maximillian.

 

 

 

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Almost  confirmed back to the 11th century

Originally the name had a letter with 2 dots above it ( ) for Germany and Bohemia  but then later after the fall of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire, the had to be changed to "e"  so now the new Family original name is Pletl

 

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 1454 Jews are expelled from Brunn Moravia by order of King Ladislaus also related to us, and was also the King of Hungary and Bohemia

now genetically proven  2017

If you really want the proof, it is in the states in the New Library.

My Cousins basement!  What a shame!

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Seal of Ladislaus I Kán (1236)
Palatine of Hungary
Reign 1242–1245
Predecessor Arnold Hahót
Successor Denis Türje
 
Died after 1247
Noble family gens Kán
Spouse(s) unknown
Issue
Ladislaus II
Julius III
Nicholas
a daughter
Father Julius I
Mother Helena N

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and what has changed? I have traveled though Europe in 2012 - 2018 and the mentality of the people.  The primitive mentality of "screw whi who you can" still prevail.  It makes me sick.  In fact the more I find out about my family, the sicker I get, and the more I want to know, like if there was any good in my family.

Bohemia, Austria, Coatia, Hungary and perhaps , more.  Some things I can find out for sure, and other things, are lost in the corridors of time

Our Family comes originally from Bohemia, then they swept across  Germany in the 15th century in the form of Royalty, Princess, Princes' Lords and even an Archbishop  of Bruno now in Czechoslovakia  which was in the Austrian-Hungarian Empire

1646

Hans Plätl Von Lichtenberg was his name.

of the Lichtenberg clan.  That is not him  below. 

 

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"Louis VIII" redirects here. For other rulers, see Louis VIII (disambiguation).
Louis VIII
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Louis VIII's seal
King of France 
Reign 14 July 1223 – 8 November 1226
Coronation 6 August 1223, Reims Cathedral
Predecessor Philip II
Successor Louis IX
Born 5 September 1187
Paris, France
Died 8 November 1226 (aged 39)
Château de Montpensier, France
Burial
Spouse
Issue
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Louis IX, King of France
Robert I, Count of Artois
Alphonse, Count of Poitiers
Saint Isabelle
Charles I, King of Sicily
House Capet
Father Philip II of France
Mother Isabelle of Hainaut

Louis VIII (5 September 1187 – 8 November 1226), called the Lion (French: le Lion), was King of France from 1223 to 1226. From 1216 to 1217, he also claimed to be King of England. Louis was the only surviving son of King Philip II of France by his first wife, Isabelle of Hainaut, from whom he inherited the County of Artois.

While Louis VIII only briefly reigned as king of France, he was an active leader prior to accession. During the First Barons' War of 1215–17 against King John of England, his military prowess earned him the epithet the Lion. After his victory at the Siege of Roche-au-Moine in 1214, he invaded southern England and was proclaimed "King of England" by rebellious barons in London on the 2 June 1216. He was never crowned as king of England, however, and renounced his claim after being excommunicated and repelled.[1][2][3][4] In 1217, Louis started the conquest of Guyenne, leaving only a small region around Bordeaux to Henry III of England.

Louis's short reign was marked by an intervention using royal forces into the Albigensian Crusade in southern France that decisively moved the conflict towards a conclusion. He was the first Capetian king to grant appanages to his younger sons on a large scale.[5] He died in 1226 and was succeeded by his son Louis IX.

Prince Louis[edit]

Marriage[edit]

In summer 1195, a marriage between Louis and Eleanor of Brittany, niece of Richard I of England, was suggested for an alliance between Philip II and Richard, but it failed. It is said that the Holy Roman Emperor Henry VI opposed the marriage, and that its failure was a sign that Richard would name his brother John as heir to the English throne instead of Eleanor's younger brother Arthur of Brittany, whom Richard had designated earlier as heir presumptive. This led to a sudden deterioration in relations between Richard and Philip.[6]

On 23 May 1200, at the age of 12, Louis was married to Blanche of Castile, daughter of King Alfonso VIII of Castile and Eleanor of England, the sister of King Richard I and King John of England. The marriage could only be concluded after prolonged negotiations between King Philip II of France and Blanche's uncle John.

Campaign of 1214[edit]

In 1214, King John of England began his final campaign to reclaim the Duchy of Normandy from Philip II. John was optimistic, as he had successfully built up alliances with Holy Roman Emperor Otto IV, Count Renaud of Boulogne and Count Ferdinand of Flanders.[7] John's plan was to split Philip's forces by pushing north-east from Poitou towards Paris, while Otto, Renaud and Ferdinand, supported by the Earl of Salisbury, marched south-west from Flanders.[8] Whereas Philip II took personal command of the northern front against the emperor and his allies, he gave his son Louis the command of the front against the Plantagenet possessions in middle France. The first part of the campaign went well for the English, with John outmanoeuvring the forces under the command of Prince Louis and retaking the county of Anjou by the end of June.[9][10] John besieged the castle of Roche-au-Moine, a key stronghold, forcing Louis to give battle against John's larger army.[11] The local Angevin nobles refused to advance with the king; left at something of a disadvantage, John retreated back to La Rochelle.[12] Shortly afterwards, Philip won the hard-fought Battle of Bouvines in the north against Otto and John's other allies, bringing an end to John's hopes of retaking Normandy.[13]

Pretender to the English throne

Norman and Plantagenet Descent of Louis VIII
Fictional portrait of Louis VIII. From a series of medals issued by Louis XVIII (19th century)

In 1215, the English barons rebelled against the unpopular King John in the First Barons' War. The barons offered the throne to Prince Louis, who landed unopposed on the Isle of Thanet in eastern Kent, England, at the head of an army on 21 May 1216. There was little resistance when the prince entered London, and he was proclaimed King Louis I of England at Old St Paul's Cathedral with great pomp and celebration in the presence of all of London. Even though he was not crowned, many nobles, as well as King Alexander II of Scotland on behalf of his English possessions, gathered to give homage.

On 14 June 1216, Louis captured Winchester and soon controlled over half of the English kingdom.[14] But just when it seemed that England was his, King John's death in October 1216 caused many of the rebellious barons to desert Louis in favour of John's nine-year-old son, Henry III.

With the Earl of Pembroke acting as regent, a call for the English "to defend our land" against the French led to a reversal of fortunes on the battlefield. After his army was beaten at the Battle of Lincoln on 20 May 1217 and his naval forces were defeated at the Battle of Sandwich on 24 August 1217, Louis was forced to make peace on English terms. In 1216 and 1217, Prince Louis also tried to conquer Dover Castle, but without success.

The principal provisions of the Treaty of Lambeth were an amnesty for English rebels, a pledge from Louis not to attack England again, and 10,000 marks to be given to Louis. In return for this payment, Louis agreed he had never been the legitimate king of England.

As King Louis VIII[edit]

Coronation of Louis VIII and Blanche of Castile at Reims in 1223, miniature from the Grandes Chroniques de France, painted in the 1450s (Bibliothèque nationale)

Louis VIII succeeded his father on 14 July 1223; his coronation took place on 6 August of the same year in the cathedral at Reims. As King, he continued to seek revenge on the Angevins, seizing Poitou and Saintonge from them.

Policy on Jews[edit]

On 1 November 1223, he issued an ordinance that prohibited his officials from recording debts owed to Jews, thus reversing the policies set by his father Philip II Augustus. Usury (lending money with interest) was illegal for Christians to practise; according to Church law it was seen as a vice in which people profited from others' misfortune (like gambling) and was punishable by excommunication, a severe punishment. Since Jews were not Christian, they could not be excommunicated and thus fell into a legal grey area that secular rulers would sometimes exploit by allowing (or requesting) Jews to provide usury services, often for personal gain to the secular ruler and to the discontent of the Church. Louis VIII's prohibition was one attempt at resolving this legal problem, which was a constant source of friction in Church and State courts.

Twenty-six barons accepted, but Theobald IV (1201–53), the powerful Count of Champagne, did not, since he had an agreement with the Jews that guaranteed him extra income through taxation. Theobald IV would become a major opposition force to Capetian dominance, and his hostility was manifest during the reign of Louis VIII. For example, during the siege of Avignon, he performed only the minimum service of 40 days and left for home amid charges of treachery.

The Albigensian Crusade and Conquest of Languedoc[edit]

The Albigensian Crusade had begun in 1209, ostensibly against the Cathar heretics of southern France and Languedoc in particular, though it soon became a contest between lords of northern France and those of Occitania in the south. The first phase from 1209 to 1215 was quite successful for the northern forces, but this was followed by a series of local rebellions from 1215 to 1225 that undid many of these earlier gains. There followed the seizure of Avignon and Languedoc.

In 1225, the council of Bourges excommunicated the Count of Toulouse, Raymond VII, and declared a renewed crusade against the southern barons. Louis happily renewed the conflict in order to enforce his royal rights. Roger Bernard the Great, Count of Foix, tried to keep the peace, but the king rejected his embassy and the counts of Foix and Toulouse took up arms against him. The king was largely successful, taking Avignon after a three-month siege, but he did not complete the conquest before his death.

Death[edit]

While returning to Paris, King Louis VIII became ill with dysentery, and died on 8 November 1226 in the Château de Montpensier, Auvergne.

The Saint Denis Basilica, just to the north of Paris, houses the tomb of Louis VIII. His son, Louis IX (1226–70), succeeded him on the throne. Queen Blanche concluded the crusade in the south in 1229.

 

 

 

 

Ladislaus the

 

 

 

 Posthumous

 

 

 

 

 

 

, known also as Ladislas (Hungarian: Utószülött László; Czech: Ladislav Pohrobek, 22 February 1440 – 23 November 1457) (in Hungarian: V. László), was Duke of Austria, and King of Hungary, Croatia and Bohemia. He was the posthumous son of Albert of Habsburg with Elizabeth of Luxembourg. Albert had bequeathed all his realms to his future son on his deathbed, but only the Estates of Austria accepted his last will. Fearing an Ottoman invasion, the majority of the Hungarian lords and prelates offered the crown to Vladislaus III of Poland. The Hussite noblemen and towns of Bohemia did not acknowledge the hereditary right of Albert's descendants to the throne, but also did not elect a new king.

After Ladislaus's birth, his mother seized the Holy Crown of Hungary and had Ladislaus – known as Ladislaus V in Hungary – crowned king in Székesfehérvár on 15 May 1440. However, the Diet of Hungarydeclared Ladislaus's coronation invalid and elected Vladislaus king. A civil war broke out which lasted for years. Elizabeth appointed her late husband's distant cousin, Frederick III, King of the Romans, Ladislaus' guardian. Ladislaus lived in Frederick's court (mainly in Wiener Neustadt), where Aeneas Silvius Piccolomini (the future Pope Pius II) wrote a treatise of his education.

After his mother died in late 1442, Ladislaus' interests were represented by a Czech condottiere, John Jiskra of Brandýs, in Hungary, and by the Czech Catholic lord, Ulrich II of Rosenberg, in Bohemia. Ladislaus' rival in Hungary, Vladislaus, fell in the Battle of Varna in November 1444. The next year, the Diet of Hungary offered to acknowledge Ladislaus as king if Frederick III renounced his guardianship. After Frederick III rejected the offer, the Diet of Hungary elected John Hunyadi regent in 1446. In Bohemia, the head of the moderate Hussites (or Utraquists), George of Poděbrady, took control of Prague in 1448. The Estates of Austria forced Frederick III to resign the guardianship and hand over Ladislaus to them in September 1452. Royal administration was formally restored in Hungary after Hunyadi resigned the regency in early 1453, but he continued to control most royal castles and revenues.

Ulrich II, Count of Celje (his mother's cousin) became Ladislaus' main advisor, but an Austrian baron, Ulrich Eytzinger, forced Ladislaus to expel Celje from his court. Although Ladislaus was crowned king of Bohemia on 28 October 1453, Poděbrady remained in full control of the government. During the following years, Eytzinger, Hunyadi and Poděbrady closely cooperated to mutually secure their positions. Ladislaus was reconciled with Ulrich II in early 1455. With the support of the leading Hungarian barons, Ladislaus persuaded Hunyadi to withdraw his troops from most royal castles and renounce the administration of part of the royal revenues.

After the Ottoman Sultan Mehmed II decided to invade Hungary, Ladislaus and Ulrich II left the kingdom. The sultan laid siege to Belgrade. Hunyadi relieved the fortress on 22 July 1456, but he died two weeks later. Ladislaus and Ulrich II returned to Hungary and tried to force Hunyadi's son, Ladislaus, to renounce all royal castles and revenues, but Ladislaus Hunyadi murdered Ulrich II on 9 November, forcing Ladislaus to grant an amnesty to him. However, most Hungarian barons were hostile towards Ladislaus Hunyadi. With their support, Ladislaus captured him and his brother, Matthias. After Ladislaus Hunyadi was executed in March 1457, his relatives stirred up a rebellion against Ladislaus, forcing him to flee from Hungary. Ladislaus died unexpectedly in Prague. He was the last male member of the Albertinian Line of the House of Habsburg.

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Duke of Austria
Reign 1440–1457
Predecessor Albert V
Successor Frederick V
Regent Frederick V (1440–1452)
King of Hungary and Croatia
contested by Vladislaus I between 1440 and 1444
Reign 1440 or 1444–1457
Coronation 15 May 1440
Predecessor Albert or Vladislaus I
Successor Matthias I
Regent Elizabeth of Luxembourg(1440–1442)
John Hunyadi (1446–1453)
King of Bohemia
Reign 1453–1457
Coronation 28 October 1453
Predecessor Albert
Successor George
Regent George of Poděbrady (1453–1457)
Born 22 February 1440
Komárom (now Komárno in Slovakia)
Died 23 November 1457 (aged 17)
Prague
Burial St. Vitus Cathedral, Prague
Dynasty Habsburg
Father Albert of Habsburg
Mother Elizabeth of Luxembourg
Religion Roman Catholic

adislaus was the posthumous son of Albert of Habsburg and Elizabeth of Luxembourg.[1][2] Albert was the hereditary Duke of Austria,[3] while Elizabeth was the only child of the Holy Roman EmperorSigismund, who was also King of Bohemia and Hungary.[4] Sigismund was also Duke of Luxemburg, but he had mortgaged Luxembourg to his niece, Elizabeth of Goerlitz.[5] Sigismund wanted to secure his realms for both his daughter and her husband, but the Estates of Bohemia and Hungary did not acknowledge the couple's hereditary right to rule.[4] After Sigismund died in December 1437, Albert was elected the sole king of Hungary.[4][6] In Bohemia, Albert was unanimously elected king only after he defeated Casimir – the younger brother of Vladislaus III of Poland – who was supported by a group of Hussite lords and burghers.[7]

Albert was planning to launch a military expedition against the Ottoman Turks, who had been making plundering raids in the southern regions of Hungary, but fell seriously ill during the preparations.[8][9] The dying king, who knew that his wife was pregnant, willed Austria, Bohemia and Hungary to his posthumous child if his wife gave birth to a son.[1] He also put his infant heir under the guardianship of his widow and his cousin, Frederick of Habsburg.[1][9] Albert died on 27 October 1439.[8][9]

Fearing a new Ottoman invasion of Hungary, the majority of the Hungarian lords and prelates refused to accept the deceased king's last will.[10][11] They offered the crown to Vladislaus III of Poland and wanted to persuade the pregnant queen dowager to marry the new king.[10][11] In Bohemia, the assembly of the Estates passed decrees in January 1440 to avoid having a new civil war break out between the Hussites and the Catholics before a new king was elected.[12] The Estates of Moravia passed a similar decree.[12]

Although the 31-year-old Elizabeth seemingly agreed to marry Vladislaus, who was only 16, she made preparations for the coronation of her son after her physicians predicted that she would give birth to a son.[13] She ordered her chambermaid, Helene Kottanner, to steal the Holy Crown of Hungary from the castle of Visegrád.[14][15] Before long, Helene Kottanner and her accomplice seized the crown.[14] They handed it to the queen on the very day she went into labour, which was considered a miracle by both the queen and her courtiers.[14] Elizabeth gave birth to Ladislaus in Komárom (now Komárno in Slovakia) on 21 February 1440, almost four months after his father's death.[16][2] He was named for King St Ladislaus.[14] Dénes Szécsi, Archbishop of Esztergom, baptised him.[14]

Inheritance and civil war in Hungary (1440–1442)[edit]

The Estates of the Duchy of Austria acknowledged Ladislaus' right to rule and made Frederick of Habsburg, who had been elected King of the Romans, regent in accordance with the last will of Ladislaus' father.[9][17] In Bohemia, only the Catholic lords, who were under the leadership of Ulrich II of Rosenberg,[12] were willing to accept Ladislaus' hereditary right to rule.[17] Soon after the birth of her son, Queen Elizabeth sent envoys to Poland to persuade the delegates of the Hungarian Estates to break off their negotiations with Vladislaus III of Poland.[17] However, the Hungarian lords refused and elected Vladislaus king on 8 March 1440.[6][18] Before his election, Vladislaus had pledged that he would marry Queen Elizabeth and protect her infant son's interests in Austria and Bohemia.[6]

The queen refused to give her consent to the project and decided to have her son crowned king before Vladislaus came to Hungary.[19] She hastily took Ladislaus from Komárom to Székesfehérvár, which was the traditional place of the royal coronations in Hungary.[19] After a young lord, Nicholas Újlaki, symbolically knighted the infant Ladislaus, Archbishop Dénes Szécsi anointed and crowned him king on 15 May.[19] During the lengthy ceremonies, his mother's cousin, Ulrich II, Count of Celje, held the crown over the head of Ladislaus who burst into tears while the coronation oath was being read out on his behalf.[19] Six days later Vladislaus III entered Buda.[20] Queen Elizabeth fled first to Győr, and from there to Sopron, taking the infant king with her.[21]

The most powerful lords – including Ladislaus Garai, Đurađ Branković, Frederick II and Ulrich II of Celje – and most towns remained faithful to the child-king, but most noblemen preferred Vladislaus' rule in the hope that he would be able to lead the defence of the kingdom against the Ottomans.[22][23] A civil war broke out between the partisans of the two kings which would last for years.[20] The Diet declared Ladislaus' coronation invalid on 29 June 1440, stating that "the crowning of kings is always dependent on the will of the kingdom's inhabitants, in whose consent both the effectiveness and the force of the crown reside".[10][23] On 17 July, Archbishop Dénes Szécsi crowned Vladislaus king with a crown taken from the tomb of King Saint Stephen, the first king of Hungary.[10][18]

In need of financial resources to continue the war against Vladislaus, Queen Elizabeth signed a treaty with Frederick III, King of the Romans, in Wiener Neustadt on 22 November.[24][20] She not only mortgaged Sopron to Frederick III, but also appointed him as her son's guardian and gave the Holy Crown of Hungary to him.[25] Thereafter Ladislaus lived in Frederick III's court, mainly in Wiener Neustatdt.[2]

Queen Elizabeth hired a Czech condottiere, John Jiskra of Brandýs, who took control of Kassa (now Košice in Slovakia) and a dozen other towns in Upper Hungary during the next months.[24][26] However, Vladislaus' two military commanders, Nicholas Újlaki and John Hunyadi, defeated the united army of the child Ladislaus's supporters from the central and southern parts of Hungary in the Battle of Bátaszék in early 1441.[20][27][24] During the next months, Vladislaus and his commanders took control of the western and eastern territories of Hungary, but Jiskra and Queen Elizabeth's other supporters continued to control Upper Hungary, along with Esztergom, Győr, Pressburg (now Bratislava in Slovakia) and other important towns.[28] Negotiations began and Queen Elizabeth and Vladislaus signed a peace treaty in Győr on 13 December 1442.[29][30] The queen recognized Vladislaus as king, but preserved her son's claim to the throne.[29][30] Three or four days later the queen suddenly died and Ladislaus became an orphan before his third birthday.[17][29][31]

Frederick III's ward (1442–1452)[edit]

After the death of Ladislaus' mother, his claim to rule in Hungary and Bohemia was primarily protected by Jan Jiskra and Ulrich of Rosenberg, respectively.[17] Most parts of Hungary remained under the rule of Ladislaus's rival, Vladislaus.[17] In Bohemia, the moderate Hussite lord, Hynce Ptáček of Pirkstein, administered the eastern territories, and the towns dominated by the radical Taborites were united in a league.[12] The Hussite Ctibor Tovačovský of Cimburk, who had assumed the title governor after Albert's death, continued to administer Moravia, closely cooperating with the towns and the Catholic Bishop of Olomouc.[12] Philip the Good, Duke of Burgundy, whom Elizabeth of Goerlitz made her heir, invaded Luxemburg on her behalf in 1443.[5]Frederick III authorized the Estates of Luxemburg to pay homage to Philip the Good, but he also stipulated that Ladislaus could buy back the duchy after Elizabeth of Goerlitz's death.[5] During Ladislaus's lifetime, the Luxembourgeoise Estates did not recognize Philip the Good as their legitimate sovereign.[32]

A seal depicting a raven

The seal of John Hunyadi with the inscription Ioanis de Huniad, Gubernatoris Regni Hungarie ("John Hunyadi, Governor of the Kingdom of Hungary")

A seal depicting three coat of arms held by two armored men

The seal of Ulrich II, Count of Celje, who was Ladislaus's kisman and close advisor

Ladislaus' rival, Vladislaus, died fighting against the Ottomans in the Battle of Varna on 10 November 1444.[33][34] At the Diet of next year, the Hungarian Estates agreed that they would acknowledge the child Ladislaus as king if Vladislaus, whose fate was still uncertain, did not come back to Hungary before 1 June 1445.[35] However, they stipulated that they would elect a new king if the child king's guardian, Frederick III, did not release both the king and the Holy Crown of Hungary.[36] The Estates also elected seven "Captains in Chief" – John Hunyadi, Nicholas Újlaki, George Rozgonyi, Emeric Bebek, Michael Ország, Pancrace Szentmiklósi, and Jan Jiskra – to administer the kingdom.[37][38] Frederick III stormed into Hungary, and captured a dozen fortresses along the western frontiers of Hungary, including Kőszeg, by the end of July.[37][38] The Counts of Celje, who were related to Ladislaus through his mother, invaded Slavonia and took control of the province before the end of the year.[37][39] As Frederick III refused to release Ladislaus, the Diet of Hungary elected John Hunyadi regent for the period of Ladislaus' minority on 6 June 1446.[38] John Hunyadi, who adopted the title governor, ruled most part of Hungary, but could not expand his authority over the regions under the rule of Frederick III, Jan Jiskra and the Counts of Celje.[36] The envoys of the Hungarian Estates and Frederick III signed a truce on 1 June 1446, which confirmed Frederick III's guardianship over Ladislaus.[40]

In Bohemia, George of Poděbrady took up the leadership of the moderate Hussite lords after the death of Hynce Ptáček.[12] He captured Prague on 3 September 1448 and imprisoned Meinhard of Neuhaus who had started negotiations of the moderate Hussites' union with the Catholic Church.[12][41] Early the next year, Ulrich of Rosenberg and other Catholic lords entered into a formal league against Poděbrady.[12]

Ladislaus had a good education in Frederick III's court.[17] A Latin grammar was completed especially for him.[2] Aeneas Silvius Piccolomini (the future Pope Pius II) summarized his advice on education in a letter that he addressed to the ten-year-old Ladislaus in 1450.[17][42] Piccolomini suggested that Ladislaus should read both classical authors (including Archimedes, Cicero, Livy and Vergil) and the Bible.[17][42] He also emphasized the importance of physical training, stating that "both mind and body ... must be developed side by side".[17][42]

As regards a boy's physical training, we must bear in mind that we aim at implanting habits which will prove beneficial through life. So let him cultivate a certain hardness which rejects excess of sleep and idleness in all its forms. Habits of indulgence – such as the luxury of soft beds, or the wearing of silk instead of linen next the skin – tend to enervate both body and mind. ... Childish habits of playing with the lips and features should be early controlled. A boy should be taught to hold his head erect, to look straight and fearlessly before him and to bear himself with dignity whether walking, standing, or sitting. ... Every youth destined to exalted position should further be trained in military exercises. It will be your destiny to defend Christendom against the Turk. It will thus be an essential part of Your education that you be early taught the use of the bow, of the sling, and of the spear; that you drive, ride, leap and swine. These are honourable accomplishments in everyone, and therefore not unworthy of the educator's care. ... Games, too, should be encouraged for young children – the ball, the hoop – but these must not be rough and coarse, but have in them an element of skill. ... In respect of eating and drinking the rule of moderation consists in rejecting everything which needlessly taxes digestion and so impairs mental activity. At the same time fastidiousness must not be humoured. A boy, for instance, whose lot it may be to face life in the camp, or in the forest, should so discipline his appetite that he may eat even beef. The aim of eating is to strengthen the frame; so let vigorous health reject cakes or sweets, elaborate dishes of small birds or eels, which are for the delicate and the weakly. ... As regards the use of wine, remember that we drink to quench thirst, and that the limit of moderation is reached when the edge of the intellect is dulled. A boy should be brought up to avoid wine; for he possesses a store of natural moisture in the blood and so rarely experiences thirst.

— Aeneas Silvius Piccolomini: On the Education of Children[42]

Vladislaus II of Bohemia and Hungary
Vladislaus II, also known as Vladislav II, Władysław II or Wladislas II (1 March 1456 – 13 March 1516; Czech: Vladislav Jagellonský; Hungarian: II. Ulászló; Polish: Władysław

Ladislaus VI, King of Hungary and Bohemia, 1490.

Ladislaus VI, King of Hungary and Bohemia, 1490. After Tertii, Austriacae Gentis Imaginum. Illustration for Iconographie Général et Méthodique du Costume du IV au XIX siècle by Raphael Jacquemin (Paris, 1869). Engraved by Delatre.

Alternative Titles: László Postumus, Ladislas Posthumus, Ladislav Pohrobek

Ladislas V, byname Ladislas Posthumus, Hungarian László Postumus, Czech Ladislav Pohrobek, (born Feb. 22, 1440, Komárom, Hung. [now Komarno, Slovakia]—died Nov. 23, 1457, Prague, Bohemia [now in Czech Republic]), boy king of Hungary and of Bohemia (from 1453), who was caught up in the feud between his guardian Ulrich, count of Cilli, and the Hunyadi family of Hungary.

Ladislas was the posthumous only son of the Habsburg German king Albert II, who had also been king of Hungary and Bohemia. The estates of Hungary had already selected Władysław III of Poland to be their king as Ulászló I, but Ladislas’ mother Elizabeth compelled the primate to crown Ladislas king at Székesfehérvár on May 15, 1440. She then placed him under the guardianship of his cousin, who was later to become Holy Roman emperor Frederick III. The estates, however, issued a charter declaring Ladislas’ coronation null and void.

After Władysław died (1444), Ladislas was elected king of Hungary, but Frederick continued to act as guardian of both Ladislas and the crown until 1452. The child was later transferred to the guardianship of Ulrich, an enemy of János Hunyadi, who earlier had been elected governor of Hungary with full regal and administrative authority. Ulrich succeeded in instilling a hatred of the Hunyadi family in the young king.

Ladislas, still a minor, was crowned king of Bohemia as Ladislav I (Oct. 28, 1453). Thereafter, he spent most of his time in Prague and Vienna. Regents ruled both his realms: George of Poděbrady in Bohemia and Hunyadi in Hungary. After Hunyadi died (August 1456), his son Ladislas Hunyadi had Ulrich assassinated later that year. The subsequent execution of Ladislas Hunyadi (March 1457), after Ladislas V had sworn not to harm him, raised such a storm in Hungary that the king fled to Prague, where he died later that year. For centuries it was conjectured that Ladislas had died of poisoning by his political opponents or by his successor as king of Bohemia, George of Poděbrady. The scientific analysis of Ladislas’ skeleton in 1987–88 established that he died of juvenile leukemia, however.

Ladislas V

KING OF HUNGARY AND BOHEMIA

A man with a shaven face wearing a cap

John Vitéz, Bishop of Várad (now Oradea in Romania), who was Ladislaus's secret chancellor in Hungary

A blond boy lying on the bed takes the hands of an older man

On his deathbed, Ladislaus the Posthumous offers his thanks to George of Poděbrady, painting by Jan Škramlík

 

Betrothal portrait of Ladislaus and Magdalena of France.

Ladislaus never married.[76] After his arrival in Prague in autumn 1457, he asked for the hand of Magdalena, daughter of Charles VII of France.[76][55] Charles VII accepted that proposal but Ladislaus had died by the time the marriage contract was signed by his envoys in Paris.[76] With Ladislaus's death, the "Albertinian Line" of the House of Habsburg became extinct.[55] Emperor Frederick III and his brother, Albert VI, jointly succeeded him in Austria.[55] In Hungary, Matthias Hunyadi was elected king two months after Ladislaus' death.[55][73] George of Poděbrady was elected king of Bohemia on 3 March 1458.[77]

 

 

There is a gap in our  history here I still need to fins when I have time .

I need to Marry a Historian.  I am sure life would be very interesting with her.

 

 

 

 

 

Reihard's grave stone in the St. Mary's Church in Hanau
Spouse(s) Catherine of Nassau-Beilstein
Noble family House of Hanau
Father Ulrich IV, Lord of Hanau
Mother Elizabeth of Wertheim
Born c. 1369
Died 26 June 1451
Hanau

  • Name: Count Reinhard II of Hanau
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: 1370
  • Death: 26 JUN 1451 in Hanau

     
     


    Father: Count Ulrich IV of Hanau b: 1335
    Mother: Princess Elisabeth of Wertheim b: 1343

    Marriage 1 Princess Katharina of Nassau-Beilstein b: 1370

    Children

    1. Has No Children Count August of Hanau b: 1399
    2. Has No Children Princess Katharina of Hanau b: 21 JAN 1407/08
    3. Has No Children Princess Anna of Hanau b: 15 JUN 1409
    4. Has No Children Princess Margareta of Hanau b: 1411
    5. Has Children Count Reinhard III of Hanau-Münzenberg b: 22 APR 1412
    6. Has Children Princess Elisabeth of Hanau b: 1416
    7. Has Children Count Philipp I of Hanau-Babenhausen b: 8 MAY 1417
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  • Name: Count Philipp I of Hanau-Babenhausen
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: 8 MAY 1417
  • Death: 10 MAY 1480 in Langweiler

     
     


    Father: Count Reinhard II of Hanau b: 1370
    Mother: Princess Katharina of Nassau-Beilstein b: 1370


     
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  • Name: Count Philipp II of Hanau-Babenhausen
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: 31 MAY 1462
  • Death: 22 AUG 1505

     
     


    Father: Count Philipp I of Hanau-Babenhausen b: 8 MAY 1417
    Mother: Princess Anna of Lichtenberg b: 25 OCT 1442

     

     

      Johann Reinhard III,

    Count of Hanau-Lichtenberg


     

  • Philipp II, Graf von Hanau-Lichtenberg, Herr zu Babenhausen, Buchweiler, & Neuweiler1,2

    After the death of his father raised his younger brother Louis claims to the rule. The primogeniture was indeed in the Hanauer family statutes since the 14th Anchored century, the general law of succession , but spoke for a country subdivision. Through the mediation of Count Philipp I of Hanau-Münzenberg it came within a short time reached a settlement and Louis renounced his claim. Shortly thereafter, he went on a pilgrimage to the Holy Land and died here in 1484 on the return journey.

    Philip II ruled at first in close imitation of the Palatinate , the lord of parts of the county of Hanau-Lichtenberg was. Philip II supported Elector Philip of the Palatinate, at the siege of the castle Hohengeroldseck .

    Cooperation, but also was armed with the intermarried home Zweibrücken-Bitsch , since a significant portion of the rule Lichtenberg was at first ruled jointly. It was not until 1487 there was a confrontation between two of the Lichtenberger heritage. Together went Count Philipp II and Count Simon IV alarm of Zweibrücken-Bitsch against themistress of her late father, Jakob Lichtenberg , Bärbel of Ottensheim ago: After the death of Jacob von Lichtenberg 1480 she was accused of witchcraft in the town ofHagenau incarcerated. The two used to the city council for a death sentence . Presumably it was to go to the fortune of the Barbel Ottensheim. Another possibility is that the tense situation in order in advance of the peasants' war should be brought a "scapegoat" to the subjects, as the mistress had had far-reaching influence on the government and was said to be hated by the people. Before it came to a verdict, Bärbel died in prison - the cause remained unclear.

    With Kurmainz there was a lengthy discussion regarding the Mainz fief, which was finally settled to the effect that Philip II, the city Klingenberg ceded to Mainz, but half ofBrumath received as a fief.

    He participated in various diets, the main point of the danger of a Turkish invasion in Central Europe.

    In Landshut war of succession between 1503-1505 of the Palatinate and Bavaria remained neutral Philip, but his son and designated successor, Philip III. of Hanau-Lichtenberg, who was involved on the part of the Palatinate. Landgraf Wilhelm of Hesse by the German king Maximilian I. with the execution of the imperial ban against thebreakers of the peace commissioned classified Palatinate and its allies. The rural area of the Office Babenhausen was already destroyed, before it succeeded Philip II, with the help of Maximilian I, and the fact that Babenhausen as a Bohemian fief belonged to the Habsburgs indirectly, halting the campaign against their own possessions. The fact that his son was fighting on the "wrong" side expecting him not to Maximilian. Philip Babenhausen residence was spared so at least. She received in 1503 by Maximilian I. the privilege to be allowed to hold an annual fair - the Nicholas Market.

     

    M, b. 31 May 1462, d. 22 August 1504
    Drawing by Karl Gruber of the grave monument of Count Philip Louis I of Hanau-Münzenberg, that was destroyed during World War II
    Spouse(s) Countess Magdalena of Waldeck
    Noble family House of Hanau
    Father Philip III, Count of Hanau-Münzenberg
    Mother Countess Palatine Helena of Simmern
    Born 21 November 1533
    Died 4 February 1580 (aged 46)
    Burial St. Mary's Church in Hanau

     

    All the way back to the 14th century

    Den ganzen Weg zurück bis ins 14. Jahrhundert
     
    Egész úton vissza a 14. században

    Some of the clothing they wore

    Einige der Kleidung trugen sie

    Néhány ruhát hordtak

    They were mostly cardinals and there was a bishop  around 1411 in the Austrian-Hungarian Empire.

     

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    1573 Jorge  Christoph (pronouced christoff)   Platl

    Christopher Platl. Jaime Reis. Juan Rial. David Ringrose. Felipe Ruiz Martín ...... Parece que, de 1562 a 1573, Torregrosa no estuvo ocupado al servicio

    There is some reference that one of the Princes of Hanabau married A PRINCE Phillip of Spain   in 1573 to 1574

    But I loose the trail after that.  When I  went to Spain in 2011, I  could not pick up the trail  so she she marry him or not, it is not clear.  And If anyone has information about this, please email me at

    iam@LesTheHandyman.com

    Below are some period coins of the time.

     

     

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    political events that occurred in ENGLAND around the same time in History as our family was  around in Europe.  OUR FAMILY WAS NOT IN ENGLAND AND DID NOT MARRY INTO ENGLISH ROYALTY SO AS FAR AS I KNOW.

    William Laud, Archbishop of Canterbury, is beheaded at London January 10 at age 71, having been tried by the House of Commons and found guilty of high treason. Puritan William Prynne has led the attack against the diminutive and small-minded prelate, who has been held prisoner in the Tower of London since 1641.

    James Graham, marquis of Montrose, takes the marquis of Argyll by surprise at Inverlochy north of Fort William February 2 and routs his 3,000-man army (see 1644). Montrose has only 1,500 men, but they leave about 1,700 enemy killed or wounded and proceed to lay waste Moray and Aberdeenshire, elude an army led by William Bailie of Letham at Brechin, capture and pillage Dundee, escape into the Grampian hills, defeat one of Bailie's lieutenants at Auldearn near Nairn, and rout Bailie himself at Altford.

    Sir Thomas Fairfax, now 33, is appointed commander in chief of a New Model Army in February and works to organize and train an effective fighting force as England's Civil War continues. Oliver Cromwell has taken steps to create a Parliamentary army whose commanding officers owe their appointments to abillty rather than social standing, he has outfitted them with red uniforms (red is the cheapest dye available), and by spring these first "redcoats" have polished their skills in weapon handling.

    A Self-Denying Ordinance passed by the House of Lords in April discharges members of Parliament from any obligation to hold civil or military commands. William Fiennes, 1st viscount Saye and Sele, has been chiefly responsible for the measure's passage. Charles I sends his son and namesake to the west country, whence the youth escapes to France and rejoins his mother.

    Parliamentary army lieutenant colonel John Lilburne resigns his commission in April rather than subscribe to the Solemn League and Covenant with Scotland, which commits Parliament to reform the Church of England along Presbyterian lines (see religion, 1640). Commissioned a captain in Cromwell's army when hostilities began 3 years ago, Lilburne was taken prisoner at Brentford in November 1642, nearly tried for treason, but exchanged for a Royalist prisoner. He criticizes Parliament and its army for not supporting the radical demands of the Leveller movement—transfer of sovereignty to the House of Commons, suffrage for all men whether or not they own property, complete equality before the law, decentralization of government to local communities, a redistribution of parliamentary seats, annual or biennial parliamentary sessions to give ordinary citizens representation, an end to conscription and impressment, reopening of enclosed land, and the like. Arrested and sent once again to prison, Lilburne will remain under confinement with few interruptions until August 1647 (see 1647).

    Prince Rupert captures Leicester in May, but the Battle of Naseby in Northamptonshire June 14 ends in a decisive defeat of Charles I's English Cavaliers at the hands of Oliver Cromwell's Roundheads in a triumph for the English middle class and merchants, who are supported by many of the country's great noblemen in the continuing Civil War. Prince Rupert's 4,000 infantrymen and 5,000 cavalry are outnumbered by the Parliamentarians, whose New Model Army consists of 7,000 infantry and 6,000 cavalry. Some 6,000 of Charles's men are killed, wounded, or taken prisoner; the Roundheads suffer fewer than 1,000 casualties and capture all 13 Cavalier guns.

    Sir Thomas Fairfax marches his New Model Army to the southwest and defeats the only remaining Royalist army in July at Langport, Somerset.

    The marquis of Montrose marches south in July with 2,000 men, having augmented his numbers. Bailie and the marquis of Argyll follow but are defeated at Kilsyth August 15 and suffer terrible losses (their entire 6,000-man force is killed, wounded, or captured). Montrose's clansmen slip away home with their booty, however, and when Montrose enters the border country with 500 cavalry and 1,000 infantry he is taken by surprise in a dawn attack at Philiphaugh, near Selkirk, September 13 by 6,000 Covenanter troops, mostly cavalry, under the command of General David Leslie, 44, who cut Montrose's Royalist army to pieces (see 1646).

    Prince Rupert surrenders Bristol to the Parliamentarians in September and is dismissed from his command.

    Europe's Thirty Years' War nears its end. Swedish soldiers Lennart Torstensson, 42, and Count Hans Christoph Königsmark repulse an imperial army under General Matthias Gallas, now 61, in January and block efforts by the army to relieve the hard-pressed Danes. They pursue the enemy into Germany, and virtually annihilate Gallas's army at Magdeburg. Torstensson gains a victory over the imperialists at Jankau in Bohemia in March, conquers Moravia with support from the Transylvanian prince George Rákoczi, and advances on Vienna. Henri de la Tour d'Auvergne, vicomte de Turenne, 33, is defeated in Franconia but raises a French and Hessian army that invades Bavaria and defeats the Bavarians in the (second) Battle of Nördlingen (Allerheim) August 3. Commanded by the duc d'Enghien, now 24, the French and Hessians have 6,000 infantry, 11,000 cavalry, and 11 guns; the Imperialist/Bavarian army commanded by Field Marshal Baron Franz von Mercy has 5,000 infantry, 9,000 cavalry, and 23 guns; the duc d'Enghien prevails, but he loses 4,000 killed and wounded. Von Mercy is killed, 5,000 of his men are killed or wounded, and 15 of his guns are captured. Plague breaks out in the Swedish army of Count Torstensson as he lays siege to Brunn and he returns to Bohemia.

    The Russian czar Mikhail I Romanov dies at Moscow July 12 at age 49, having founded the dynasty that will continue until 1917; he is succeeded by his son, 16, who will reign until 1676 as Aleksei Mikhailovich.

    Czech Nationalism and Nationhood

    The 19th cent. brought a rebirth of Czech nationalism. Under the leadership of Palacký a Slavic congress assembled at Prague in the Revolution of 1848, but by 1849, although the Czech peasantry had been emancipated, absolute Austrian domination had been forcibly restored. The establishment (1867) of the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy thoroughly disappointed the Czech aspirations for wide political autonomy within a federalized Austria. Instead, the Czech lands were relegated to a mere province of the empire. Concessions were made (1879) by the Austrian minister Taaffe; Czechs entered the imperial bureaucracy and parliament at Vienna. However, many Czechs continued to advocate complete separation from the Hapsburg empire.

    Full independence was reached only at the end of World War I under the guidance of T. G. Masaryk. In 1918, Bohemia became the core of the new state of Czechoslovakia. After the Munich Pact of 1938, Czechoslovakia was stripped of the so-called Sudeten area, which was annexed to Germany. In 1939, Bohemia was invaded by German troops and proclaimed part of the German protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia.

    After World War II the pre-1938 boundaries were restored, and most of the German-speaking population was expelled. In 1948, Bohemia's status as a province was abolished, and it was divided into nine administrative regions. The administrative reorganization of 1960 redivided it into five regions and the city of Prague. In 1969, Bohemia, along with Moravia and Czech Silesia, was incorporated into the Czech Socialist Republic, renamed the Czech Republic in 1990. The Czech Republic became an independent state when Czechoslovakia was dissolved on Jan. 1, 1993

                                                          

          

     

    1637

    1646 Hans Platl Von Lichtenberg

    was the Archbishop of the Brunn (New Spelling Bruno)

    We are directly related to him though the Platl Family which is our family.

    Thank God our name wasn't Smith or Schmitt.

     

     

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    Below is a pictures of my fathers family in the Old country. The Family has been the family of over 600 years.  Our lineage can be traced back to the Crusades.

    If you are here because you are learning about who I am am, then please provide be with some information about you. Where you came from, where you think you are going because all of that is quite interesting to me.  As you go through  this site you will see many interesting things, as I am writing a book about my family from the time they were hiding Jews during WWII and save some 700 families from the axe to You know the movie Schindlers list my Grand fathers List was 20 times longer as he owned  factories and vineyards and all kinds of things. He had people sitting around making up professions and then convincing the Germans not to take them away.     Loosing all their wealth  after the war. Coming to Canada with nothing and starting again.  By the time my grand father came to Canada after loosing every thing twice, Once to the Germans and then again to the Russians, He came he at 66 at $5.00 in his pocket. And when he died at 88, he was a multi-millionaire all over again.  *"Making millions is easy, holding on to them is quite another" * And the rest,  as we say is History.  

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    1860

      I think this marks the end of the royal Euro somewhere around here and and then we just are descendents of royalty we are not still royalty anymore because we have been watered down so much that that we are no longer royal. At in a way I'm kind of glad that it went this way because something wrong was a lot of royalty and too much is an really good but I'm glad that that I come from such a background because it's kind of interesting and I got to see lots of castles all throughout Europe that belonging to my families at one time or another I'm not proud of the fact that my family started lots of wars and were in a lot of words and the conquered everything to get what they got in the there was lots of corruption and lots of bad things that occurred because of the fear of the Devil and Christianity and all the rest of the stuff that we know now is not even really true and then those people that said they spoke to God probably never did as her is no God and those people that unfortunately still are stuck in the stone ages believing all that stuff well they can have it. There is a divine force call the universe and that's it will have to live with that somehow.

     

    1904

    In 1688 Platl  Came to Hungary and there was no such letter will 2 dots above the "a" so they changed the name to Pletl  for the new Hungarian Country

    Pletl Married Rak

    Later Rak married Bubik    1905 I think?

    We are working on this  now

    1918

     

      1717 Married into the Bubik 

    (it is an amazing Library of facts which my aunt runs for the family)

    it is kind o cool to see your family coat or carved carved into stone in some churches in Europe

    1926

     

    More pictures to tell me about dad

    My grandparents, my dad and  my other aunts and uncle

    My Grand Parents Vineyard below

    After loosing everything twice.  Once to The Germans during the  2nd WW  and then again to the Russians.  My grandfather came to Canada A broken man with $5.00 in his pocket  at 65 and when he died at 80, he was a multi-millionaire all over again.  Amazing  And a very hard working and industrious family.

     

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    My mom in 1940

    second from the left and bottom row

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    WWII

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    My father was an Junior Engineer during the WWII. He specialized in 4 things.

    Mechanical

    Robotics

    Fluidics

    Hydraulics

    Automation and later

    New Product design

    Born 1923 he died in December 2018   He was around  95

    During W.W.2

    He created a crank pump for all kinds of liquids, including gas for planes, so they could be fueled directly from the drum; faster than a regular "up and down pump."  The ones they made for the Germans  during the war, they put  impurities into the oil compartment and those impurities with fine metal filings went into the motor causing all kinds of problems, for the Germans.  iT WAS GOOD TO "STICK-IT TO THE GERMANS  for taking over their factories, but they were playing a dangerous game.   When the Germans brought the pump back to see if there was something wrong with it, one of my uncles filled it up with more bad stuff and gave it back to them.  I am not sure of the number of planes it put out of commission, but I was told it was alot between 20 and 40.   After they were returning many of the pumps, my grandfather told my uncle to fix most of them but to make sure some still didn't work.  This took out another 18 planes before my grandfather said to my uncle it is not time to fix all the pumps.  The Germans never found out  why  they had so many problems with the motors and they did not really know which pumps they were using for which planes.    Later when the Nazis started paying attention, my grand father was told and he took the appropriate steps to make sure that no one ever knew.  But the Germans were always  digging for the truth and he is sure that in time they would have figured it out bit the Germans were already loosing the war and had many other problems in the end, which kind of back fired on my family as the Germans during their retrets where blowing up their own factories so they would not be  useful to the advacing Russian army.

    pump

    As the story goes, the ones they made for the Germans, during the war which Jammed on occasion and and ones the "Underground" got, where flawless. My Grandfather, also "Leslie Bubik", was playing a dangerous game. I have lots of stories which I am sharing with you here.

     

     

     

    English movie test with sound effects

     

    Hungarian movie of same thing with ww2 sound effects in the back ground.

     

     

     

    My dad was already interested in  Jewish Girl and during the war when the Germans were taking them away.  My Grandfathers family,  "The Bubik Family",  helped my moms family and hid them in one of their  houses.  Then another family  showed up and then another and another until , they were hiding them in barns and other properties.   My Grand Father saved 760  people from the chopping block  and  Schindlers list was nothing compared to  my Grandfathers list.  I was told that they sat around for hours making  up titles for jobs.  You see the Germans gave free laborers to the Factory owners to make their bullets and tanks.  My grand father  had a few factories   so he was able to save many and because he owned farms and vineyards.  He was able  to feed everyone of them.  I was told when My grand father came to Canada he was a broken man with $5.00 in in pocket at 65  and when he died at 88, he was a multi millionaire again.  Simply  amazing.

     

    My Grand fathers  brother was the Director of the Berlin Opera house during the second world war and was also involved with the smuggling  of those , who were involved in Hitler's ASSASSINATION attempt, out of the Country.  Bringing them to Argentina.  Why Argentina, I am not sure but  His Name was Arpad  Bubik   and  He was also the director  of a theater in Argentina but it  was never as successful as it  was for him in Berlin.  He was a Hungarian Patriot when Hungary was free.

     

    One of My Uncles was the mine guide.  He took 436 Jewish families across the Hungarian/Austrian border.   He only talked about the war when he got really drunk ; like at weddings. I always listened to the stories.  He told me  that it would have been better if he stepped on a mine and when I asked why?  He said because  He did not know where the mines where.  WOW !!!!!  Now that is luck.

    When I was a kid some Hebrew foundation called my house, I was living at 421 Roselawn Avenue in those days.   and wanted to give an award to my fathers family  for there efforts in the war helping Jews and getting them to safe places.

     

    I accepted the award  and told my dad who was furious. And told me he is not interested in any award.  Later I found out why.  My father eventually told me he  does not want to remember any of it.  My Grand father hid the Jews  right under  the noses of the Germans.  Almost in  plain site.

    I am glad they did what they did.  otherwise I would not be here.

    My family did some pretty dangerous things like take the bombs out of planes that were shot down, they were stripped down and sent to the "underground " to be used against the Germans.  WOW  my dad was nuts. 

     

    In those days where were no cell phones when when you went from one place to another  with a gas ration on, they walked and tool their  bicycles.  My one uncle  Imre Bubik. was caught by the Germans and torched so much he went crazy, but he never gave the locations of the save  houses.  He remained crazy till the end of his life, just a few short years ago My mother is also gone 2005.  I miss her.

     

    My Family paid a very heavy price for what they did to help the Jews and it never would have started  if my dad hadn't met my mom.

     

    So how where they found out and caught?  This is where the mistake occurred. Because Gas was being rationed , no one had gas for  their vehicles. But the Bubik family always had gas. Even towards the end of the war, even the Germans has to ration their gas, because there was not enough to go around,  But  by this time.   The Bubiks had lots because my dad was pumping the gas out of the planes  that crashed on their lands.  The Germans weren't stupid, they just followed  the trail and eventually busted them all.

    My dad was not there and neither was my grandfather and the rest of his sisters were already getting ready to leave while Hungary was being bombarded my the allies and they all survived.  Amazing!!!

     

    Hiding a Jew was worse than being one, in those days  and I never met my grand mothers and tons of relatives because many were rounded up and shot and they were the lucky ones.  The rest were sent to processing  and labour camps.

     

      My dad was able to escape capture only to be captured by the Russians at the end of the war.  WOW .

     

    My dad told me , that he and my other Uncle "Deszo (sic) were caught at the same time rounded up and put into, pens.  No buildings, they had to stand there as it rained and it was cold and many died there too.

    The Russians were ruthless and when they Took Hungary, the Russian army, were allowed to take whatever they wanted by going from room to room raping all the women that they found. Something you don't hear about in history books. But the Russians did some amazingly terrible things to people. Like in East Germany when the Russians were raping all the women there apparently it had the highest rate of suicide ever in history. It's written down somewhere you can go find it I don't really want to talk about this too much. My aunt also wrote a book and actually published the and I'm going to be putting it here as well is my stupid cousins won't give me the digital version of it which I've asked for like 20 times because they just don't care. Perhaps because their American who knows.

    In my aunt's book and the recollection of what occurred is firsthand. Even she didn't like to talk about it my aunt Agnes but she and I were close and she told me almost everything which I'd really want to hear and in some ways but needed to know and others. Some of the stuff takes you to some dark places which you wish you did not hear about.

    My aunt and some of her other sisters have to put coal on themselves and make them look make themselves look very unattractive so when the Russian soldiers came to their room they didn't want to have anything to do with them because there are only raping really attractive women. My aunt went to say that they were very lucky that her nor her sisters were raped by the Russians but they could hear the screaming going on in all of the other apartments in buildings around where they were hiding.

    What the Germans did during the second world War is appalling but what the Russians did to their own citizens after that is even worse and the funny thing is that the Americans never came to their aid either. My father writes also of what happened after the war and how Churchill split up the countries and gave hungry and everything else over to the Russians which became the new Eastern Block. And the rest of that history everybody now knows.



    Now back to the story. My dad told me that he found an old spoon the ground was frozen  but they both managed to  dig  a hole under a part of the fence escape by using the spoon they found. If  the Russians has dogs,  they would not have been able  to escape.    My Dad, almost starving to get back to  his land only to find that the Russians were occupying it. 

     

    My Grand Father lost every thing to the Germans and then the Germans where blowing  things up on their retreat including my Grandfathers factories.   Then my fathers family went into the factories to salvage what they could  and were hiding machinery in barns and other places because the Russians were  taking the machines away.  What a story  but all true. 

     

    My grandfather told my aunt Audrey to bury the machines in the ground that because there was no more concrete left because at the end of the war it was no concrete where it was very hard to find my aunt built these massive holes in the ground with what ever machinery in anything they could find and reinforced it with what some of the buildings that were bombed is much as possible and these machines were found about 15 years ago when there are doing construction in Budapest and believe all these machines that they found those were hours at one time or should I say our grandfathers I was in Canada in the middle of a bunch of stuff so I couldn't leave to go and check the stuff out it would've been very interesting to see. But if you're to dig into your archives in hungry would find this to be true. Some time in the near future I will take the information from my aunt's book and I will included in this because she has a real account firsthand of what happened and it's not fair really for me to translate from this point on.

    You must hear her words.
    My dad, was a prick even in those days it should've been a real signal to my mom what Dick had my dad really was. Many times when he was supposed to meet my sisters to help them get out of the country he never showed up only his own hide was more important. I guess after doing what they did to save my mom and other families it really affected him.

     Can you really blame the guy but I enjoyed the wrath of his lack of interest and other things in my life. It is one of the reasons why I never had kids because I always thought that I might have some of him in me and I could never put a child through what I went through.

    So let's continue....

     

     

    Bubik Arpad - 1944 was responsible for getting Germans, involved in the assassination attempt on Hitler, to get them out of the Country, smuggling them out of the Country and taking them to Argentina.

    " Dohnányi’s misery", he learned that his son Matthew, who had become a Captain in the Hungarian Army, had died in a Russian concentration camp. Just a few months later, Dohnányi learned that his other son, Hans (father of the famous conductor Christoph von Dohnányi), had been executed by the Nazis for his involvement in Hungary’s 20 July 1944 assassination plot against Hitler. Dohnányi, fearing for his own life, accepted an offer from Árpád Bubik, who had once been his secretary, to escape Europe and move to Buenos Aires, Argentina. "

    Magyar színháztörténet: 1920-1949

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Because everyone lost touch with everyone else after the war many thought the others has perished.  And that is why my dad did not want to accept the award. 

     

     But I will go to Israel to accept it  because  the woman my dad has the "hots" for  and who they got out of the country. One of them was my mother to be.  Her name was Veronica, but everyone called her Vera. 

    She met my dad in Paris after the war and then went to Brazil together where they  met My moms sister.  Edith.  Edith married , John Gati (a holocaust survivor)  in New York. He was A film animator and she was  a head designer  for Givenchy. 

     

    When I was a kid I met Mr. Givenchy a few times Mr. Gucci and all the famous designers, most of whom  where Jewish.   Both my Aunt Edith  and Uncle John are gone now and  They have been survived my their two sons Paul and William( Bill. )

    Paul Was a great violinist  and William was a great Pianist. I remember as a kid when they both were in Julliard and   has sold out concerts at Carnegie Hall, there in New York.

    There is more  but  I am still filling in the pieces.  You see...no one wants t talk about the war.  Especially those who gave great sacrifices to it.

     

     

     















       






     

    Almost  confirmed back to the 12th century

    Originally the name had a letter with 2 dots above it (  ) for Germany and Bohemia  but then later after the fall of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire, the  had to be changed to "e"  so now the new Family original name is Pletl

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     1454 Jews are expelled from Brunn Moravia by order of King Ladislaus.

    Our Family comes originally from Bohemia, then they swept across  Germany in the 15th century in the form of Royalty, Princess, Princes' Lords and even an Archbishop  of Bruno now in Czechoslovakia  which was in the Austrian-Hungarian Empire

    1646

    Hans Plätl Von Lichtenberg was his name.

     

    of the Lichtenberg clan.  That is not him  below.  It is  your Host. ME!

    Leslie Charles Paul Bubik

    But you can call me Les

    "Royalty is not divine - if your actions are honorable, then you will be royal no matter what cloth you were cut from." 

    I just made the picture above for a joke.

     

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    About 4 years ago  my Aunt sent me to Bruno, in Czechoslovakia to find something about  out family  but I only found one pc of paper  but it was significant because  our family blood line was dated back to the  15th century before I went and this document proves that our family goes back to the 14 century, but without the hard work  of the Family Library custodian, we would not have a family library. 

     

                                                               Picture of Agi and Adri

     

    , + 1271. Ludwig II von Lichtenberg

    Johann I von Lichtenberg, Lord, + 1315, Md. 1295, Adelfeid von Werdenberg, + 1343, d. of Hugo I von

    Below, is the kind of clothes they wore in those days  in the 12th century

     Montfort, Count of Werdenberg

     

    (need to find out What happened here)

    In a further certificate purchased in 1272 the town Georgenthal a Arnstädter
    One by the mill owners to Siegelsbach situated vineyard.
    How extensive must have been the vineyards in and around Arnstadt, tells us that of Dr.
    CA Burkhardt edited "document the city of Arnstadt. It will be in a document
    14th Century no less than 44 vineyards and fields mentioned. From a

    The exact date of his birth is not known, not even the exact year, because in the Middle Ages a person's death date was considered far more important than their birth date, since a memorial mass would be celebrated on the death date.

    He was the second son of Ulrich IV of Hanau (born: between 1330 and 1340; died: in September or October 1380) and Countess Elizabeth of Wertheim (1347–1378 ). In the ruling family of Hanau, an explicit primogeniture statue of 1375 stipulated that only the eldest son could inherit the Lordship and even that only he could marry. Reinhard II as second son of Ulrich IV as was destined for a clerical career. He received a suitable education for such a career; in 1387 he was studying at the University of Bologna. In 1390, one of the sons of Ulrich IV, possibly Reinhard II, was enrolled as a student at the university of Heidelberg. The entry in the register does not mention a name, it merely states de Hanaw domicellus.[1][2] Reinhard abandoned his spiritual career in 1391, and closed a contract with his elder brother Ulrich V, which guaranteed him an annual income. The background was probably that Ulrich V's marriage was still childless and they wanted to preserve the possibility that Reinhard might succeed Ulrich V. The contract awarded Reinhard an annual sum of 400 florins and a share in the districts Partenstein,Rieneck, Bieber and Haßlau. This was the first generation in the history of the Hanau family where the younger sons did not join the clergy. In 1398, the contract was renewed, and Ulrich and Reinhard's younger brother John of Hanau was also awarded a persion, after a dispute with John had led to actual fighting.


    other document showing that in 
    1387 the Lord Lichtenberg and the other lords of Arnstadt including

     the  tried,
    to transform the city and surrounding area in a single vineyard.
    In 1496 the vineyards located in Arnstadt and field were the following
    Men Spent:
    .. Hans von Lichtenberg = 14 acres vineyard and a field outside
    the Erfurt Goal
    .. Iring of Witzleben = 8 acres Weingarten
    .. Hot and Kurt von Rottleben = 4 acres of wine wax
    .. Friedrich, Klaus, and Kurt von Witzleben = 3 acres Weingarten
    .. Heinrich Acker wine from the court = 1 wax
    In addition a large number of vineyards were in the size of a half acre, the scattered
    were in the large estates and most property wealthy citizens Arnstädter\

    Reihard's grave stone in the St. Mary's Church in Hanau
    Spouse(s) Catherine of Nassau-Beilstein
    Noble family House of Hanau
    Father Ulrich IV, Lord of Hanau
    Mother Elizabeth of Wertheim
    Born c. 1369
    Died 26 June 1451
    Hanau

  • Name: Count Reinhard II of Hanau
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: 1370
  • Death: 26 JUN 1451 in Hanau

     
     


    Father: Count Ulrich IV of Hanau
     
    b: 1335 
    Mother: Princess Elisabeth of Wertheim b: 1343

    Marriage 1 Princess Katharina of Nassau-Beilstein b: 1370

    Children

    1. Has No Children Count August of Hanau b: 1399
    2. Has No Children Princess Katharina of Hanau b: 21 JAN 1407/08
    3. Has No Children Princess Anna of Hanau b: 15 JUN 1409
    4. Has No Children Princess Margareta of Hanau b: 1411
    5. Has Children Count Reinhard III of Hanau-Münzenberg b: 22 APR 1412
    6. Has Children Princess Elisabeth of Hanau b: 1416
    7. Has Children Count Philipp I of Hanau-Babenhausen b: 8 MAY 1417
  •  

  • Name: Count Philipp I of Hanau-Babenhausen
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: 8 MAY 1417
  • Death: 10 MAY 1480 in Langweiler

     
     


    Father: Count Reinhard II of Hanau
     
    b: 1370 
    Mother: Princess Katharina of Nassau-Beilstein b: 1370


     
  • 1462 Wedding

  • Name: Count Philipp II of Hanau-Babenhausen
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: 31 MAY 1462
  • Death: 22 AUG 1505

     
     


    Father: Count Philipp I of Hanau-Babenhausen
     
    b: 8 MAY 1417 
    Mother: Princess Anna of Lichtenberg b: 25 OCT 1442

     

      Johann Reinhard III,

    Count of Hanau-Lichtenberg


     

  • Philipp II, Graf von Hanau-Lichtenberg, Herr zu Babenhausen, Buchweiler, & Neuweiler1,2

    After the death of his father raised his younger brother Louis claims to the rule. The primogeniture was indeed in the Hanauer family statutes since the 14th Anchored century, the general law of succession , but spoke for a country subdivision. Through the mediation of Count Philipp I of Hanau-Münzenberg it came within a short time reached a settlement and Louis renounced his claim. Shortly thereafter, he went on a pilgrimage to the Holy Land and died here in 1484 on the return journey.

    Philip II ruled at first in close imitation of the Palatinate , the lord of parts of the county of Hanau-Lichtenberg was. Philip II supported Elector Philip of the Palatinate, at the siege of the castle Hohengeroldseck .

    Cooperation, but also was armed with the intermarried home Zweibrücken-Bitsch , since a significant portion of the rule Lichtenberg was at first ruled jointly. It was not until 1487 there was a confrontation between two of the Lichtenberger heritage. Together went Count Philipp II and Count Simon IV alarm of Zweibrücken-Bitsch against themistress of her late father, Jakob Lichtenberg , Bärbel of Ottensheim ago: After the death of Jacob von Lichtenberg 1480 she was accused of witchcraft in the town ofHagenau incarcerated. The two used to the city council for a death sentence . Presumably it was to go to the fortune of the Barbel Ottensheim. Another possibility is that the tense situation in order in advance of the peasants' war should be brought a "scapegoat" to the subjects, as the mistress had had far-reaching influence on the government and was said to be hated by the people. Before it came to a verdict, Bärbel died in prison - the cause remained unclear.

    With Kurmainz there was a lengthy discussion regarding the Mainz fief, which was finally settled to the effect that Philip II, the city Klingenberg ceded to Mainz, but half ofBrumath received as a fief.

    He participated in various diets, the main point of the danger of a Turkish invasion in Central Europe.

    In Landshut war of succession between 1503-1505 of the Palatinate and Bavaria remained neutral Philip, but his son and designated successor, Philip III. of Hanau-Lichtenberg, who was involved on the part of the Palatinate. Landgraf Wilhelm of Hesse by the German king Maximilian I. with the execution of the imperial ban against thebreakers of the peace commissioned classified Palatinate and its allies. The rural area of the Office Babenhausen was already destroyed, before it succeeded Philip II, with the help of Maximilian I, and the fact that Babenhausen as a Bohemian fief belonged to the Habsburgs indirectly, halting the campaign against their own possessions. The fact that his son was fighting on the "wrong" side expecting him not to Maximilian. Philip Babenhausen residence was spared so at least. She received in 1503 by Maximilian I. the privilege to be allowed to hold an annual fair - the Nicholas Market.

    M, b. 31 May 1462, d. 22 August 1504
    Drawing by Karl Gruber of the grave monument of Count Philip Louis I of Hanau-Münzenberg, that was destroyed during World War II
    Spouse(s) Countess Magdalena of Waldeck
    Noble family House of Hanau
    Father Philip III, Count of Hanau-Münzenberg
    Mother Countess Palatine Helena of Simmern
    Born 21 November 1533
    Died 4 February 1580 (aged 46)
    Burial St. Mary's Church in Hanau

    All the way back to the 14th century

    Den ganzen Weg zurück bis ins 14. Jahrhundert
     
    Egész úton vissza a 14. században

    Some of the clothing they wore

    Einige der Kleidung trugen sie

    Néhány ruhát hordtak

    They were mostly cardinals and there was a bishop  around 1411 in the Austrian-Hungarian Empire.

     

     

    1573 Jorge  Christoph (pronouced christoff)   Platl

    Christopher Platl. Jaime Reis. Juan Rial. David Ringrose. Felipe Ruiz Martín ...... Parece que, de 1562 a 1573, Torregrosa no estuvo ocupado al servicio

    There is some reference that one of the Princes of Hanabau married A PRINCE Phillip of Spain   in 1573 to 1574

    But I loose the trail after that.  When I  went to Spain in 2011, I  could not pick up the trail  so she she marry him or not, it is not clear.

     

     
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